pappu
08-07 03:52 PM
First let me state that I need people like you to proceed and hence I will be happy to answer the points you rasied to the best of my ability:
We all agree that there is severe backlog. Only way the backlog will alleviate is by increasing visa numbers, which not going to happen any time sooner.
So some people (and I know around 10 of them) what they are doing is the following:
They got the chance to file their 485 last July , which is pending. They are now contacting several small desi consulting firms to file for their fresh labor in EB2 category. Once their labor is filled and new I-140 is approved, they plan to attach new I-140 to the original 485 and hence effectively convering to Eb2 category but with priority dates in 2002 and 2003 (because original I-140 had that priority). Worst, they would never join that desi consulting firm...
This how the system is being gamed. If I know 10 such cases, I am sure there must be thousand like that.Now you tell me , isn't that unfair to the people already in Eb2 line as well as the ones who do not know how to game the system
By the way: If any one is interested, I know of three such consulting firms that can do for you for a fee.
First: I appreciate that you have not lost your cool yet despite all the opposition and rude posts against you. Rollingflood on the other hand does not share those qualities with you well. We will not close the thread as long as the discussion remains civil.
While I personally do not support the lawsuit idea because it divides the community in two parts and there are better ways to help the community. You can try to help positively for the greater good for everyone or run a negative campaign that will help some but hurt others who are also like you and are genuinely following the law. I also think it will be expensive and may not have a lifeline. As IV members we need to all work together to fix the system. This was the basis of founding IV. The aim was never to look after our own selfish interests and hurt others who are like us. We never discriminated between different EB categories or country of chargeability. The intent of our fight is not to deny others their greencards and get ours first, but to allow everyone get their greencards. The intent is to have the system be efficient and work the way it was intended. IV core team has never made action items or ask lists in campaigns to suit their own selfish needs.
Now in this post you have raised a serious issue. If a fraud is going on, do collect evidence and file a complaint against it. If consulting companies are making money by gaming the system, drag those companies in your complaint. Help punish such people who are gaming the system. IV community will appreciate that.
There is some wisdom needed here to draw a line between selfishness and working with honest intentions to clean up the system.
We all agree that there is severe backlog. Only way the backlog will alleviate is by increasing visa numbers, which not going to happen any time sooner.
So some people (and I know around 10 of them) what they are doing is the following:
They got the chance to file their 485 last July , which is pending. They are now contacting several small desi consulting firms to file for their fresh labor in EB2 category. Once their labor is filled and new I-140 is approved, they plan to attach new I-140 to the original 485 and hence effectively convering to Eb2 category but with priority dates in 2002 and 2003 (because original I-140 had that priority). Worst, they would never join that desi consulting firm...
This how the system is being gamed. If I know 10 such cases, I am sure there must be thousand like that.Now you tell me , isn't that unfair to the people already in Eb2 line as well as the ones who do not know how to game the system
By the way: If any one is interested, I know of three such consulting firms that can do for you for a fee.
First: I appreciate that you have not lost your cool yet despite all the opposition and rude posts against you. Rollingflood on the other hand does not share those qualities with you well. We will not close the thread as long as the discussion remains civil.
While I personally do not support the lawsuit idea because it divides the community in two parts and there are better ways to help the community. You can try to help positively for the greater good for everyone or run a negative campaign that will help some but hurt others who are also like you and are genuinely following the law. I also think it will be expensive and may not have a lifeline. As IV members we need to all work together to fix the system. This was the basis of founding IV. The aim was never to look after our own selfish interests and hurt others who are like us. We never discriminated between different EB categories or country of chargeability. The intent of our fight is not to deny others their greencards and get ours first, but to allow everyone get their greencards. The intent is to have the system be efficient and work the way it was intended. IV core team has never made action items or ask lists in campaigns to suit their own selfish needs.
Now in this post you have raised a serious issue. If a fraud is going on, do collect evidence and file a complaint against it. If consulting companies are making money by gaming the system, drag those companies in your complaint. Help punish such people who are gaming the system. IV community will appreciate that.
There is some wisdom needed here to draw a line between selfishness and working with honest intentions to clean up the system.
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bank_king2003
09-15 12:36 PM
Can you pl tell the Service center ? Is it NSC or TSC
-Thanks
Neither NSC nor TSC. My case was at USCIS San Francisco Local Office.
good luck to you i see your PD Current
-Thanks
Neither NSC nor TSC. My case was at USCIS San Francisco Local Office.
good luck to you i see your PD Current
danu2007
07-09 08:38 PM
Flower Campaign - Media published urls
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f4b3076eb0f93110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=1958b0aaa86fa010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD
http://wadias.in/site/arzan/blog/gandhigiri-send-flowers-to-uscis/
http://www.touchdownusa.org/node/11
http://www.bibdaily.com/
http://www.immigration-law.com/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2183334.cms
http://digg.com/politics/Gandhigiri_Green_Card_Hopefuls_to_Send_Flowers
http://www.wikio.com/entertainment/movies/bollywood
http://news.speeple.com/desicritics.org/2007/07/06/green-card-applicants-resort-to-gandhigiri.htm
From uspolitics.einnews.com(This page got deleted recently)
U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services News - U.S. Politics Today
... changes in US immigration rules are planning to deluge US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Emilio Gonzalez with flowers on July 10. ...
uspolitics.einnews.com/news/uscis - Jul 7, 2007 - Similar pages - Duly noted
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f4b3076eb0f93110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=1958b0aaa86fa010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD
http://wadias.in/site/arzan/blog/gandhigiri-send-flowers-to-uscis/
http://www.touchdownusa.org/node/11
http://www.bibdaily.com/
http://www.immigration-law.com/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2183334.cms
http://digg.com/politics/Gandhigiri_Green_Card_Hopefuls_to_Send_Flowers
http://www.wikio.com/entertainment/movies/bollywood
http://news.speeple.com/desicritics.org/2007/07/06/green-card-applicants-resort-to-gandhigiri.htm
From uspolitics.einnews.com(This page got deleted recently)
U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services News - U.S. Politics Today
... changes in US immigration rules are planning to deluge US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Emilio Gonzalez with flowers on July 10. ...
uspolitics.einnews.com/news/uscis - Jul 7, 2007 - Similar pages - Duly noted
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delhiguy79
10-17 07:17 PM
gc_chahiye is correct - this is precisely why my lawyer advised me not to go with 2nd set of 485 + if one gets rejected the other one automatically gets rejected (when both are combined)
We decided to go for 485 that had older PD
I know someone who applied for 2nd set and then withdrew the 2nd application as soon as he got Receipts (his application was in Neb and wife's was in Texas << this could lead to major delays as the files are now physically located in different centers)
With all the confusion and movement of applications to different centers... things can only get complicated in my opinion. One can only hope for the best
AS FAR AS I KNOW IN MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH RAJEEV KHANNA ... THAT EVEN IF U COMBINE TWO APPLICATIONS THEY ARE TREATED SEPARATELY AS BOTH ARE ON DIFFERENT 140s...COMBINING MEANS JUST TO INFORM USCIS THAT TWO 485s HAVE BEEN FILED FOR THE SAME PERSON.... ONE AS PRIMARY AND ONE AS DERIVATIVE....
We decided to go for 485 that had older PD
I know someone who applied for 2nd set and then withdrew the 2nd application as soon as he got Receipts (his application was in Neb and wife's was in Texas << this could lead to major delays as the files are now physically located in different centers)
With all the confusion and movement of applications to different centers... things can only get complicated in my opinion. One can only hope for the best
AS FAR AS I KNOW IN MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH RAJEEV KHANNA ... THAT EVEN IF U COMBINE TWO APPLICATIONS THEY ARE TREATED SEPARATELY AS BOTH ARE ON DIFFERENT 140s...COMBINING MEANS JUST TO INFORM USCIS THAT TWO 485s HAVE BEEN FILED FOR THE SAME PERSON.... ONE AS PRIMARY AND ONE AS DERIVATIVE....
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jonty_11
06-29 05:57 PM
I have a few theories on this. This is meant just to open discussion.
1) The USCIS and State department are not communicating at all. This is not at all uncommon within gov't agencies as we all know.
The State Dep't released the bulletin perhaps without realising the full ramifications. Having heard from the USCIS..........hey hey hey what the F&^% are you doing? They may have realised over the last few weeks what a mess they have on their hands. Now they are trying to undo it.
2) Another possibility I can think of, is that this is a grand plan(heck I almost said grand bargain) concocted by the USCIS to get 485s OUT of the system as much as possible while minimising those that can get IN. Hence you might see in the coming few weeks thousands of approval letters all dated the 2nd of July. That will allow them to clear their backlogs of pre-approved, approvable cases and clean the slate fresh for the new fees structure/new quota in the new year. Some of you might remember they retrogressed to unavailable around this time 2 yrs ago. They do these weird things in the 4th quarter.
3) Of course the last option is their brains have the same IQ as that of any common critter that messes up your garden.
Pick your poison, it is all the same. I feel for everyone whose hopes were raised so high. It is truly inhumane of them. If they planned this, they should atleast have delayed the release of the July VB.
I tend to believe the CIR angle to this. Since, teh time CIR has failed, these Rumours have surfaced.....
Another poison choice!!!!
1) The USCIS and State department are not communicating at all. This is not at all uncommon within gov't agencies as we all know.
The State Dep't released the bulletin perhaps without realising the full ramifications. Having heard from the USCIS..........hey hey hey what the F&^% are you doing? They may have realised over the last few weeks what a mess they have on their hands. Now they are trying to undo it.
2) Another possibility I can think of, is that this is a grand plan(heck I almost said grand bargain) concocted by the USCIS to get 485s OUT of the system as much as possible while minimising those that can get IN. Hence you might see in the coming few weeks thousands of approval letters all dated the 2nd of July. That will allow them to clear their backlogs of pre-approved, approvable cases and clean the slate fresh for the new fees structure/new quota in the new year. Some of you might remember they retrogressed to unavailable around this time 2 yrs ago. They do these weird things in the 4th quarter.
3) Of course the last option is their brains have the same IQ as that of any common critter that messes up your garden.
Pick your poison, it is all the same. I feel for everyone whose hopes were raised so high. It is truly inhumane of them. If they planned this, they should atleast have delayed the release of the July VB.
I tend to believe the CIR angle to this. Since, teh time CIR has failed, these Rumours have surfaced.....
Another poison choice!!!!
chandooo
09-22 12:14 AM
Let me give you an example and you would understand my point. USCIS Customer Services Directorate received 16 million calls from the public and 300,000 from Members of Congress. Add to it, all other items people do to get attention for their case and think that by sending an email or a phone call from Senator or by a lawyer, the officer will realize his mistake and quickly open the file and approve it. If you look at the responses people post to their inquiries, you would see that most responses are standard. USCIS is not just approving 140K greencards but more than a million greencards, hundreds of thousands of H1 and other visa types, EADs etc...every year. Greencards do not get issued on the day date gets current. It is not a automatic process. There is lot of human work involved and many people do not understand that or spend time understanding it. They would rather waste their time either on useless task of tracking or calling customer service every single day.
i understand everybit you explained here but your missing human anxiousness whether it is GC or OC(no meaning) people willnot stop doing enquiry i think you might did to and being hypocritic that everyone is anxious about doing so the explaination looks like your working in uscis customer care and taking care of all this everyone knows that uscis doesnot only deals GC and not only we are calling them
take it easy brother
i understand everybit you explained here but your missing human anxiousness whether it is GC or OC(no meaning) people willnot stop doing enquiry i think you might did to and being hypocritic that everyone is anxious about doing so the explaination looks like your working in uscis customer care and taking care of all this everyone knows that uscis doesnot only deals GC and not only we are calling them
take it easy brother
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ghost
04-06 08:31 AM
always amazes me how so many folks depend upon these immigration attorney websites and get disappointed...we are better off supporting IV advocacy and get first hand information on what is going on in DC, USCIS and DOS.
This is not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time these AILA folks generate sensational news! Help IV to help you!
This is not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time these AILA folks generate sensational news! Help IV to help you!
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godbless
01-16 09:41 AM
Thanks for your reply. Yes you are right but though I had the choice I was not allowed to enter on H1. Now when my AP is expiring on 01/26/2007 would it mean I may go out of status even if I have a valid h1 till 06/01/2007?
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08-20 11:21 AM
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lazycis
09-15 07:54 AM
Why they need name check when they have finger print? Name can be change any time where as finger print cant be.
Not only that. but the law and regulations does not require name check for I-485! Only for naturalization. What the USCIS and FBI doing is illegal. Sue them, that's the only way they will understand that they are wrong.
The decision to check reference files for FBI name check was made in December 2002 because N-400 was approved for a Hamaz member. The person's name did not have a hit in main files, but did have a hit in reference files. That's why the USCIS requested FBI to check reference files for naturalization applicants. FBI however decided to check refernce files for ALL requests. By law, background criminal investigation is required only for naturalization and asylum!
Not only that. but the law and regulations does not require name check for I-485! Only for naturalization. What the USCIS and FBI doing is illegal. Sue them, that's the only way they will understand that they are wrong.
The decision to check reference files for FBI name check was made in December 2002 because N-400 was approved for a Hamaz member. The person's name did not have a hit in main files, but did have a hit in reference files. That's why the USCIS requested FBI to check reference files for naturalization applicants. FBI however decided to check refernce files for ALL requests. By law, background criminal investigation is required only for naturalization and asylum!
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pranju
06-15 04:13 PM
Should only be put in the primary applicants !485. The spouse will have one on their receipt notice. The fingerprint appointment will use this number as an identifier.
Thank you so much for the reply.
Thank you so much for the reply.
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newtoearth
06-16 03:35 PM
legal shortcut.
>> This shows your poor understanding of how an Indian company is being operated
:D
Grow up dude... You don't have any facts or knowledge on this only you have hatered
>> This shows your poor understanding of how an Indian company is being operated
:D
Grow up dude... You don't have any facts or knowledge on this only you have hatered
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GCWaiter03
05-25 09:34 PM
GCWaiter03 - Thanks for very much.
Can she go back immediately after filing I-485 to come back in August.
gc_hopful
Yes, she can go to India once she filed her I-485.
Can she go back immediately after filing I-485 to come back in August.
gc_hopful
Yes, she can go to India once she filed her I-485.
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chanduv23
01-07 10:02 PM
No need to worry.
People write letters all the time to the president and first lady, FBI, USCIS, etc etc when they are stuck in namechecks.
The thing is why should be force ourselves to write letters when we are in deep sh** like namechecks ourselves.
Why can't we do it when we can do it as a large group of people and not being selfish for once. I think this is our chance to stop being a lone voice when nobody hears us. In this campaign we can show how important our issue is and how desperately we want it to be fixed.
BTW I am going to post a handwritten letter. I have heard it works better.
Very good idea. Hand written letter - way to go. Everyone can do this.
Maybe we can write with blood(just kidding)
People write letters all the time to the president and first lady, FBI, USCIS, etc etc when they are stuck in namechecks.
The thing is why should be force ourselves to write letters when we are in deep sh** like namechecks ourselves.
Why can't we do it when we can do it as a large group of people and not being selfish for once. I think this is our chance to stop being a lone voice when nobody hears us. In this campaign we can show how important our issue is and how desperately we want it to be fixed.
BTW I am going to post a handwritten letter. I have heard it works better.
Very good idea. Hand written letter - way to go. Everyone can do this.
Maybe we can write with blood(just kidding)
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smuggymba
08-18 09:22 AM
Landed in this country on Aug-16-1997 for Masters. Today myself and my wife both got CPO mail/text message. Thanks IV community and good luck to all. I will be doing my part to make this system better!!!
Details:
PD: 04 Jan 2006, EB2 I
RD: 07 Jul 2007, TSC (I-140 was with NSC, but the attorney sent it to TSC in the july 2007 fiasco)
ND: 27 Aug 2007, NSC
Didn't do anything in 2008 and decided to do everything possible this time around.
Aug 3 - Primary I-485 SR,
Aug 5- Primary EAD SR,
Contacted Congress Woman on Aug 9 - Didn't get any useful info. I think, being in bay area, they might have been flooded with these requests.
Aug 10 - Opened an Infopass for Aug 18
Aug 16, 8:30 am - Dependent SR
Aug 16, 9:30 am - Called the customer service for primary's status - got the standard response that they sent a mail (which i didn't get) asking me to wait for 60 days.
Aug 16, 10:15 am - Wife called me to inform the good news, the online status change.
Aug 16, 10:18 am - got the text message (which just said "check your status online").
Aug 16: Got the CPO mail (time stamped 10:18am)
Guys (and Gals), Hang in there and you will have your independence soon.
Regards,
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Details:
PD: 04 Jan 2006, EB2 I
RD: 07 Jul 2007, TSC (I-140 was with NSC, but the attorney sent it to TSC in the july 2007 fiasco)
ND: 27 Aug 2007, NSC
Didn't do anything in 2008 and decided to do everything possible this time around.
Aug 3 - Primary I-485 SR,
Aug 5- Primary EAD SR,
Contacted Congress Woman on Aug 9 - Didn't get any useful info. I think, being in bay area, they might have been flooded with these requests.
Aug 10 - Opened an Infopass for Aug 18
Aug 16, 8:30 am - Dependent SR
Aug 16, 9:30 am - Called the customer service for primary's status - got the standard response that they sent a mail (which i didn't get) asking me to wait for 60 days.
Aug 16, 10:15 am - Wife called me to inform the good news, the online status change.
Aug 16, 10:18 am - got the text message (which just said "check your status online").
Aug 16: Got the CPO mail (time stamped 10:18am)
Guys (and Gals), Hang in there and you will have your independence soon.
Regards,
Yet Another Greencard Wait (not anymore :)
Please donate some $$$$ to IV.
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Macaca
12-05 10:08 AM
Lou Dobbs Hears Radio Calling (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/arts/05arts.html) By JACQUES STEINBERG | NY Times, December 5, 2007
The way Lou Dobbs sees it, people shouldn�t need basic cable to hear him sound off at length on issues like immigration and free trade. Mr. Dobbs said yesterday that he was creating a daily three-hour talk radio show that would run in the afternoons and conclude an hour before his nightly program on CNN, which begins at 7 p.m. on the East Coast.
�My interest is in bringing a voice of reason, rather than the partisan and ideological poles that define talk radio right now,� he said in a telephone interview. Mr. Dobbs vowed that neither the right nor the left would be able to lay claim to him, with some conservatives who support his hard-line take against illegal immigrants breaking ranks with his opposition to free trade. �I consider both political parties to be tragic failures,� Mr. Dobbs said.
United Stations Radio Networks, a private company that syndicates one-minute financial updates by Mr. Dobbs, is producing the program. Asked if any station had committed to carry it, a company spokeswoman said that it was only now starting its outreach.
The way Lou Dobbs sees it, people shouldn�t need basic cable to hear him sound off at length on issues like immigration and free trade. Mr. Dobbs said yesterday that he was creating a daily three-hour talk radio show that would run in the afternoons and conclude an hour before his nightly program on CNN, which begins at 7 p.m. on the East Coast.
�My interest is in bringing a voice of reason, rather than the partisan and ideological poles that define talk radio right now,� he said in a telephone interview. Mr. Dobbs vowed that neither the right nor the left would be able to lay claim to him, with some conservatives who support his hard-line take against illegal immigrants breaking ranks with his opposition to free trade. �I consider both political parties to be tragic failures,� Mr. Dobbs said.
United Stations Radio Networks, a private company that syndicates one-minute financial updates by Mr. Dobbs, is producing the program. Asked if any station had committed to carry it, a company spokeswoman said that it was only now starting its outreach.
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aadimanav
09-16 10:07 AM
Called most of the people in the list.
Most of the time it was voice mail.
Person from Brad Sherman office mentioned that congressman was supporting the bill.
Person from Robert C. Scott office mentioned that she did know the position but the congressman had supported these kinds of bills in the past.
Most of the time it was voice mail.
Person from Brad Sherman office mentioned that congressman was supporting the bill.
Person from Robert C. Scott office mentioned that she did know the position but the congressman had supported these kinds of bills in the past.
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Dhundhun
10-02 04:09 PM
USCIS has become efficient, by this time all (or most) of the EB2-I visa might have gone. I am wondering any 2005 approvals?
Basically this would give some idea, what to expect in Nov.
Basically this would give some idea, what to expect in Nov.
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BharatPremi
03-25 04:09 PM
Here is the text that is in the I-9 Form:
"Anti-Discrimination Notice. It is illegal to discriminate against any individual (other than an alien not authorized to work in the U.S.) in hiring, discharging, or recruiting or referring for a fee because of that individual's national origin or citizenship status. It is illegal to discriminate against work eligible individuals. Employers CANNOT specify which document(s) they will accept from an employee. The refusal to hire an individual because the documents presented have a future expiration date may also constitute illegal discrimination."
Yes, This comes into picture once company decides to hire. Now hiring is teh last process and beofre that you get grilled in multiple interviews. Employer is tsill at liberty not to interview EAD holder. If you are not interviewed, hiring would not come into picture and hence this text of law in I-9 form is worthless for you for that position. This I-9 text will only cover the situation for the period after hiring not before hiring.
"Anti-Discrimination Notice. It is illegal to discriminate against any individual (other than an alien not authorized to work in the U.S.) in hiring, discharging, or recruiting or referring for a fee because of that individual's national origin or citizenship status. It is illegal to discriminate against work eligible individuals. Employers CANNOT specify which document(s) they will accept from an employee. The refusal to hire an individual because the documents presented have a future expiration date may also constitute illegal discrimination."
Yes, This comes into picture once company decides to hire. Now hiring is teh last process and beofre that you get grilled in multiple interviews. Employer is tsill at liberty not to interview EAD holder. If you are not interviewed, hiring would not come into picture and hence this text of law in I-9 form is worthless for you for that position. This I-9 text will only cover the situation for the period after hiring not before hiring.
Googler
10-17 11:55 PM
By Mr. Cannon:
"NNCPS is partnering with other Agencies to provide contractors and personnel to process name checks. For example, the FBI and USCIS have implemented a key initiative to use contractor resources to prioritize the processing of "Single-Hit" USClS Name Check requests, that is, pending name check requests that have only one FBI file potentially identified with it that needs to be reviewed in order to process the request. By applying contractor resources to process these "Single Hit" requests, the FBI may significantly reduce the pending USClS name check workload."
Declaration of M. Cannon filed in one of the civil cases in Northern GA, dated October 4th, 2007. To know for sure you have to have a pending lawsuit and send a discovery request to district US Attorney.
First of all, lazycis, thank you for all the great information on the immigration portal WOM thread and now on the IV forums. The community owes you.
Re: this Cannon declaration -- do you mind sharing the case number or case name (X v Chertoff) or the declaration if you have downloaded it from Pacer?
"NNCPS is partnering with other Agencies to provide contractors and personnel to process name checks. For example, the FBI and USCIS have implemented a key initiative to use contractor resources to prioritize the processing of "Single-Hit" USClS Name Check requests, that is, pending name check requests that have only one FBI file potentially identified with it that needs to be reviewed in order to process the request. By applying contractor resources to process these "Single Hit" requests, the FBI may significantly reduce the pending USClS name check workload."
Declaration of M. Cannon filed in one of the civil cases in Northern GA, dated October 4th, 2007. To know for sure you have to have a pending lawsuit and send a discovery request to district US Attorney.
First of all, lazycis, thank you for all the great information on the immigration portal WOM thread and now on the IV forums. The community owes you.
Re: this Cannon declaration -- do you mind sharing the case number or case name (X v Chertoff) or the declaration if you have downloaded it from Pacer?
Prashant
09-10 12:04 PM
Thanks bud!, it changed me from red to green :)
Let me give you a green buddy and see if it changes something for you.
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Let me give you a green buddy and see if it changes something for you.
Folks please call it all counts.
.................................................. .
$470 + made calls to all congressmen/women on the HR5882 list.
Go IV Go.....